Phokus Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Break name: Amen Artist: The WinstonsTrack name: Amen BrotherOriginal release: 7", The Winstons - Color Him Father / Amen BrotherLabel: MetromediaCat number: MM-117Year: 1969Drummer: G C Coleman Also available on: The Winstons - Color Him Father (Metromedia, LP); DJ Pogo Presents: Block Party Breaks Vol 2 (Strut) Example: Equinox - Acid Rain (Breakage RMX); Renegade feat Ray Keith - Terrorist Clip: http://www.rolldabeats.com/audio/breaks/the_winstons-amen_brother.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted March 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 As used in: http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/outsider/outside003 - Side A http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/inperspective/inp008 - Sides A and B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamdek Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 [ CLIP HERE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Note: clip is taken from the UBB series, the break in the original is not pitched down like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimpy Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Note: clip is taken from the UBB series, the break in the original is not pitched down like that. do you want a clip of the original amen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I have one, thanks. Waiting for haste's home net connection to come back up, then the files I sent him, Amen included, can be uploaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blah Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 (edited) this might interest you stimps ,I was talking to ed solo the other night and he has the amen brother on seven inch and he says that because it's in stereo that one channel is the bukem amen and the other is the ray keith amen , well thats what he said anyway and he said that he has a copy of it on cd (probably the dj pogo cd) but he says thay made it to be mono in case anyone wants to sample it Edited November 8, 2005 by blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted November 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Clip added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_cod Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Clip added I've got this on vinyl with volume 2 of 'Ultimate Breaks & Beats' Cat - SBR 501 When it gets to the break its as if whoever was mastering it decided to press the '33' button on the record deck to provide a slower loop. I can see why they did it, these ultimate breaks and beats albums were aimed at the block parties in the bronx for the early emcees to rap over. I assumed everyone was sampling it from the 'ultimate breaks...' source but after reading here I realised that people are using the NWA clip. Which leads me to think thats why my amen never sounded as nice as on the d&b tracks I'd buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Not all are using the NWA break. Its got its own distinctive sound with the "hey - yo!" vocal snippet. Try getting the 12" release I saw floating around a few years back (a US release?) Someone here also suggested that the two stereo channels sound different to each other too. Try using one or the other, rather than mixing down the channels to mono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_cod Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Cool, I've just compared them in a wav editor and it looks like the 'Ultimate Breaks & Beats' version is identical in both channels, well at least on my 2 copies of the vinyl which may well be a repress (bought about 5 years ago from Tempest in Birmingham). I'll have to see if I can find another source. Interesting to note there is a wikipedia article dedicated to this break. Great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Look for the DJ Pogo compilation mentioned in the first post - nice clean version on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I really wanna see some sort of interview with that drummer G.C. Coleman Is there any out there? What on earth must he think about this unprecidented mass obssesion with 5 tiny seconds of his musical life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_cod Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 I really wanna see some sort of interview with that drummer G.C. Coleman Is there any out there? What on earth must he think about this unprecidented mass obssesion with 5 tiny seconds of his musical life? Did you watch the Amen documentary, that seems to be about as much as anyone knows about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 now on myspace :laugh: http://www.myspace.com/theamenbreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMooncat Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 http://www.myspace.com/amenbros :-) I have the metromedia 7" original and yes both channels are different, i managed to pick it up at a bootsale for 20p :-D if anybody wants the actual original break then just ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abend Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 http://www.myspace.com/amenbros :-) I have the metromedia 7" original and yes both channels are different, i managed to pick it up at a bootsale for 20p :-D if anybody wants the actual original break then just ask yupL & R are different. How clean is the 45? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMooncat Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 mint and it didnt come in a sleeve it was at the bottom of a box between 2 records Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaboat Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Excellent documentary on the Amen break and the history of sampling. Well worth a watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyDavid Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnx8H9AiMEo&feature=related Lol, 5:36 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Right! Couple of updates I've got here on teh amens (which I didn't think were worthy of own threads)... So, it's been mentioned to me several times now about the 'Dillinja' amen that seems to be in vogue of recent times, and how apparently the true source for it is from LTJ Bukem - A Couple Of Beats. Basically we're talking about the amen texture known most notably from "Jah Know Ya Big", but also some others too I think, such as "Muthafucka" (also Peshay seems to be using it in "The Nocturnal") So, I decided to investigate once and for all. Scouring through "A Couple Of Beats" I managed to do this:http://www.classifiedlistening.com/tarzanstuff/couple%20of%20beats%20amen.mp3couple of beats amen.mp3 Hmmm. Well, I don't know who came up with this tidbit but quite frankly, it doesn't sound anything like it to me? I know Blah mentioned above about LTJ Bukem taking his amens from one channel of the original 7", which I imagine would cover this instance. As for anything else, well I don't know It's quite interesting though because in the track Bukem starts off sampling and looping other amen derivatives before finally breaking half-way through to a 'clean' amen. I remember always thinking of it at the time as a statement, saying "well, that was hardcore - now it's drum & bass!". Thinking now, and knowing that he got those initial loops from that sample CD, I wonder if it was more in fact a statement to say "lets stop recycling all our breaks and start going to the original true source"? Anyhow, its clear that even if Dillinja did sample from a pre-existing source (which is by the by, really) he's obviously done his own processing and eq-ing to get a distinctive sound on it, so I guess that puts any 'uses' of it as being from "Jah Know Ya Big". - - - - - Ok, for my other update - being Face Records is probably my all time favourite 'small' imprint of the music, it's always been of some intrigue to me that really distinctive amen texture used by Pascal in those early tunes. Its a rather thick, sort of congested sounding loop which always seemed reminiscent of "Dub War" - I always thought, perhaps mistakenly, that he was a part of Dance Conspiracy and that explained it. Anyhow I have since made the discovery listening to the original release on Metamorphosis that its actually clean, and sampleable, from the "The Mix Strikes Back" version on that 12"! Which was something of a revelation to mehttp://www.rolldabea...ds_inc/morpho01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMV-7nZy0c It kicks in about 1:02 into the tune - think I could listen to that amen loop all day! Well, I'm sure the quest for more amen derivatives will continue, although still somewhat bemused by the cult that seems to surround this break... Definitely a fan of it being used but to me its just another of many Peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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