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  • 15 years later...

Yeah.

 

From the list I had some time ago @ http://www.congonatty.com :

 

LION 001 - Black Star ft Top Cat: Champion Deejay / Kunte Kinte

LION 002 - Conquering Lion feat. Supercat: Code Red

LION 003 - Conquering Lion: Inah Sound / Ras Project

LION 004 - Princess Lydia / Rastaman feat. Beenie Man / Blessed

LION 005 - X-Project ft Frankie Paul & Tenor Fly: Jah Sunshine / ?

...

 

Looking these up,

the LION3 one is that one that's etched RAS PROJECT b/w INAH SOUND with the tracks mentioned here;

 

either LION2 or LION4 is the catalogue of the Princess Lydia EP

http //rolldabeats.com/release/2395/congo_natty_records/princesslydia

- or, LION2 is the plate etched PRINCESS LYDIA FOREVER b/w LION JUNGLE

and LION4 is the plate etched RASTAMAN b/w BLESSED

- or, the "Princess Lydia EP" was simply a bundling of LION2 & LION4 that happened at some point... or maybe even didn't... sch_pr here indicates that single plates were common;

 

the LION1 one appears to have been a straight white label repress of the original LION1.

 

this link here confirms much of this detail

http //congonatty.jungli.st/new_old.phtml (web archive)

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  • 3 weeks later...

Bit more on this - found a ref for Spoox's full list of 12 on web archive, looks like was up from oct 2004 onwards

https://web.archive....atty.jungli.st/ [28 Nov 2004]

 

an earlier version, with just LION1 - 5 was up around feb 2002.

 

 

Checking for Nu-Urban seems earliest reference is Sept 02 for 1-5, and 6-8 were available at least from May 03 onwards, with 9-12 only showing July 2004 (but probably older)

 

Listed details from Nu-Urban, cross-referenced against Juno & Hard To Find:

 

LION 001  Black Star feat. Top Cat - Champion Deejay / Kunte Kinte          Juno: 08 Nov 01

plays: Sound Clash Dub

LION 1 A-1-1- b/w LION 1 B-1-1-  nb. no trailing '1' on either string

 

LION 002  Conquering Lion feat. Super Cat - Code Red               Juno: 14 Nov 90  ~14 Nov 2001; HTFR [none]: 2002

both play: Emperor Selassie I (unreleased mix)

PRINCESS LYDIA FOREVER b/w LION JUNGLE

 

LION 003  Conquering Lion - Innah Sound / Ras Project               Juno: 29 Nov 01

plays: Lion Of Judah (Boombastic Mix)

RAS PROJECT b/w INAH SOUND

 

LION 004  Princess Lydia - Rastaman feat. Beenie Man / Blessed          Juno: 08 Dec 01

plays: Rastaman & Blessed

RASTAMAN ✡ b/w BLESSED ✡

 

LION 005  X-Project feat. Frankie Paul & Tenor Fly - Jah Sunshine / Jah Sunshine HTFR [DUBPLATE1]: 1994; Juno: 04 May 02

both play: Jah Sunshine (Ruff Neck Jungle Mix)

JAH ✡ SUNSHINE b/w DUBPLATE 1 ✡

 

LION 006  Black Star - Radical (DJ Kane Remixes)                 HTFR: 1995; Juno [RAS 008]: 07 Dec 02

plays [Juno]: Radical (Zulu Warrior Mix) [nb. from Roots CD]; [HTFR]: Get Wild (unreleased mix)

RAS 8 ✡ b/w GET WILD ✡

 

LION 007  Tribe of Issachar feat. Peter Bouncer - Junglist (DJ Zinc Remix)     Juno: 01 Jan 90 ~26 Mar 2004

plays: Junglist (No Sell Out Mix)

 

LION 008  Unknown Artist - Original Sess (Police in Helicopter) / Yes Selecta    Juno [POLICE]: 28 Sep 01; Juno: 23 Apr 03

plays [2001]: Original Ses (Police In Helicopter); [2003]: Yes Selectah

ORIGINAL SES b/w "YES SELECTOR"

 

LION 009  Tribe of Issachar - Tribal Natty (97 Mix) / Tribal Natty (Original Dubplate Mix) Juno: 17 Jul 03

plays: Tribal Natty '97

TRIBAL NATTY b/w TRIBAL

 

LION 010  X Project feat. Junior Reid / Conquering Lion feat. Beenie Man - Banana Boat Man / Code Black

HTFR: 1996; Juno: 09 Aug 03; Juno [DUBPLATE 3]: 01 Jan 90 ~22 Nov 2003

all play: the 'remade' mix of Banana Boat Man

DUB PLATE 3 ✡ b/w CONQUERING LION ✡

 

LION 011  X Project - Set It (Original Unreleased Mix)

no clips, but is: Lion Of Judah (Dub Plate Special) / Ghetto Geddon (Dub Mixed)

RAS PROJECT 2 ✡ b/w RAS PROJECT 2 DUB ✡

 

LION 012  X Project - Calling                             Juno (DUBPLATE 2): 30 May 02

plays: Calling & Jungle Flow

DUB PLATE 2 ✡ b/w DUB PLATE 2 DUB ✡

 

 

Some other refs were found, but none of these had clips

HTFR [PRINCESSLYDIA] 1994

HTFR [LION003] 1996; HTFR [RASPRO] 1996

HTFR [LIONJUNGLE] 1999

Juno [RASPROJECT] 30 Nov 99

HTFR [LION8] 2001

HTFR [DUBPLATE 3] 2004

Edited by Ornette
Update for LION 009 plus some corrections to dates
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Couple more refs, no clips, but images confirm 'LION' designations

 

LION 003 Ras Project / Inah Sound https://www.hhv.de/shop/en/item/congo-natty-ras-project-inah-sound-674617

LION 004 Rastaman / Blessed https://www.hhv.de/shop/en/item/congo-natty-rastaman-blessed-674616

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  • 2 weeks later...

Something that is a little bit clearer... is the 'ZION' series of represses.

 

These were all pressed between 2008-2009, likely in conjunction with Nu-Urban, as all have the MPO stamper impressions of three concentric rings. They are also all definitely re-presses, as run-out strings so far have proven as matching the original releases. As well they are white labels, much like the original releases (except for 1 & 3 which had 'full' releases)

 

These first show up on Nu-Urban around Oct 08 with five listed (with two as "Coming Soon"), and then later, another three from at least May 09. However, I've not seen any trace of 2, 7, 9, 12 having been done... or 6... in fact, I can't find any trace of an original ZION06... Does a ZION06 actually exist??

 

Listed details from Nu-Urban, cross-referenced against Juno:

 

ZION01  Rebel MC - Exodus / Mystical Vibration [Oct 08]              Juno: 11 Sep 08

plays: Exodus & Mystical Vibration

ZION 1A1 Music HOUSE "EXODUS" b/w ZION 1AA-1 Music HOUSE

 

ZION03  Rebel MC - Jungle Soldier / Rasta Music [Oct 08]              Juno: 10 Sep 08

plays: Rasta Music & Jungle Souljah

ZION 3-1 Music HOUSE ETHEOPIA b/w LION 3AA1 Music HOUSE

 

ZION04  Rebel MC - Lose Your Soul / Rebel Music [Oct 08]             Juno: 30 Oct 09

plays: Lose Your Soul & Rebel Music

ZION 4A Music HOUSE b/w ZION 4B Joseph

 

ZION05  Rebel MC - Seven Seas / Ghetto Life [Oct 08 / May 09]          Juno: 23 Oct 08

plays: Seven Seas & Ghetto Life

 

ZION13  Rebel MC & Peter Bouncer - Junglist (98 Remix / Original) [Oct 08 / May 09] Juno: 23 Oct 08

plays: Junglist ('98 Remix) & Junglist (Original Dubplate)

ZION 13A1. Music HOUSE b/w ZION 13AA ORIGINAL JUNGLIST Mt.

 

ZION08  Rebel MC - Lion Did Crown (99 Mix) / Boom Bye Bye [May 09]        Juno: 15 Jan 09

plays: Lion Did Crown (Remix) & Inah Sound ('99 Remix)

ZION8A' Music HOUSE b/w ZION8AA' Music HOUSE

 

ZION10  Rebel MC - Junglist Soldier / Fever (98 Remix) [May 09]          Juno: 10 Dec 08

plays: Jungle Souljah (Remix) & Fever ('98 Remix)

ZION 10A. Music HOUSE b/w ZION 10AA. Music HOUSE

 

ZION11  Rebel MC - Joseph / Zion [May 09]                     Juno: 18 Mar 09

plays: Joseph & Zion

 

No indication that these represses ever made their way to Hard To Find, though the originals all seem to be listed.

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Couple of candidates for ZION06 ?

 

http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/2375/congo_natty_records/champion99

Champion Natty (99 Remix) / Jah Set It (DJ Kane Remix)

http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/2380/congo_natty_records/hs01

Emperor Selassie I '99 / Revolution

 

Both are '99' remixes of earlier tracks, a theme common to several of the ZION releases

As, I notice ZION09 doesn't actually appear to be etched that going by the discogs entry, though is definitely listed as such on both HTFR and Juno, Though, this might be just because someone hasn't entered it properly.

 

 

Incidentally, someone mentioned DJ Kane has commented on youtube denying the CHAMPION99 release as a remix of his! I'm just trying to confirm where that detail came from... I see the discogs entry was submitted with that all the way back in 2002, possibly with a suggestion of it from Chemical... The old cosmic breaks discography has no mention of DJ Kane for it however

 

http //www.cosmicbreaks.com/natty/congonatty.html (still active, would you believe)

Edited by Ornette
Fixed the DJ Kane 'commented' link, that the move to IPB4 had incorrectly altered to an embedded object [edit v2]
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  • 4 years later...
On 9/11/2019 at 3:13 PM, Ornette said:

LION 009  Tribe of Issachar - Tribal Natty (97 Mix) / Tribal Natty (Original Dubplate Mix) Juno: 17 Jul 03

plays: Tribal Natty '97

 

Ok, so after a bit of confusion on this, looks like the true LION 009 has turned up finally, on discogs!

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/15682786-Tribe-Of-Issachar-Here-I-Come

 

Going by the pictures, it has the same stamper impression as what we see from the other LION 'reissues' - that is, a sunken depressed inner area with a single concentric circle at a distance from the spindle - reminiscent of the stamper impression of either Damont or Broadcrest

 

Apparently it has the run-out etchings TRIBAL NATTY b/w TRIBAL which corresponds with the worded run-outs on the other LIONs, though is not clear if it has the '✡'/ star of david markings seen with some of the others.

 

I'll update the post above with this detail, also will update with some slightly better guestimates for some of those Juno datings given as '1990'... which are obviously well out. So far, the item codes in the urls for the listings on Juno have all proven to be chronologically ascending, which by doing a bit of back-and-forth means we can narrow down each to within a month - if not much closer.

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One further question on all this is - what exactly, is the correct format of these catalogue numbers for this white label LION sequence?

 

On 9/11/2019 at 3:13 PM, Ornette said:

Bit more on this - found a ref for Spoox's full list of 12 on web archive, looks like was up from oct 2004 onwards

https://web.archive....atty.jungli.st/ [28 Nov 2004]

 

Spoox's list on the link above (and indeed, as cited also here) has them all as LION 0xx... From a bit of scouring otherwise on wayback machine, I was able to find a bit more info about this -

 

One of the various urls I was able to confirm for Exodus Distribution (as ran by DJ Souljah) was www.exodusdistribution.com - which seems to have been active for a short while during 2002:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20020206192107/www.exodusdistribution.com/

 

Though you can't see the images for that table-layout website anymore, one of the panels from it links to the site www.docky.com - which, from clicking on the text stating 'Enter', takes you to into the main store at which point another link is given, stating: "We are official Congo Natty Suppliers. Check out our current range of Natty vinyls here."

https://web.archive.org/web/20011203084741/http://www.docky.com/docky/index.htm

(Turns out this Docky 'official' Congo Natty page was linked already from spoox's old congonatty.jungli.st site - and indeed, from the older natty.dhs.org version of it also...)

 

Travelling on that wayback link to the snapshot Feb 07 2002 confirms some details on LIONs 1, 2, 3 & 4 - going by all this, it would seem to confirm this LION sequence of cat numbers was indeed something that came direct from Exodus Distribution, and therefore, were 'official' cats for this series.

 

To cross-reference all what we have, lets see:

#       Docky         Juno              Nu-Urban      HTFR          hhv.de           'SOUR'
1       LION 1          LION 001       LION 001          –                                              
2       LION 2         LION 002      LION 002         –                                   
3       LION 3         LION 003      LION 003      LION003    "Lion 003"  
4       LION004     LION 004      LION 004          –              "Lion 004"    LION004   [BPM] (11-27-2002)  
5          –               LION 005       LION 005         –                                    LION5        (#4307 2002/07/29)
                                                    Nu-Urban                   
6          –                     –               LION 006      LION006          
7          –                LION 007      LION 007          –                                       –              (#5169 2002/12/21)
8          –                LION 008      LION 008      LION8                                 –              (#1487 2001/02/07)
                                                    Nu-Urban                          
9          –                LION 009      LION 009          –             
10         –               LION 010      LION 010       LION010                           LION10       (#6187 2003/08/12)
11         –                     –               LION 011           –                                    LION 11      (#6888 2004/02/06)
12         –                    –               LION 012           –                                    LION 12     (#6889 2004/02/06)

So I guess going by all this, it would seem the number form 0xx is correct, with the majority indicating a space between the 'LION' and the number...

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