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#1 haste

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Posted 18 June 2004 - 12:44 PM

weren't there represses that had cat nos LION1/2/3 that featured different tracks to the original LIONs?

i may be wrong about this but just seem to remember that being the case

#2 Ornette

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Posted 24 August 2019 - 03:59 AM

Yeah.

View Postspoox, on 14 June 2005 - 10:21 PM, said:

From the list I had some time ago @ http://www.congonatty.com :

LION 001 - Black Star ft Top Cat: Champion Deejay / Kunte Kinte
LION 002 - Conquering Lion feat. Supercat: Code Red
LION 003 - Conquering Lion: Inah Sound / Ras Project
LION 004 - Princess Lydia / Rastaman feat. Beenie Man / Blessed
LION 005 - X-Project ft Frankie Paul & Tenor Fly: Jah Sunshine / ?
...

Looking these up,
the LION3 one is that one that's etched RAS PROJECT b/w INAH SOUND with the tracks mentioned here;

either LION2 or LION4 is the catalogue of the Princess Lydia EP
http //rolldabeats.com/release/2395/congo_natty_records/princesslydia
- or, LION2 is the plate etched PRINCESS LYDIA FOREVER b/w LION JUNGLE
and LION4 is the plate etched RASTAMAN b/w BLESSED
- or, the "Princess Lydia EP" was simply a bundling of LION2 & LION4 that happened at some point... or maybe even didn't... sch_pr here indicates that single plates were common;

the LION1 one appears to have been a straight white label repress of the original LION1.

this link here confirms much of this detail
http //congonatty.jungli.st/new_old.phtml (web archive)
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#3 Ornette

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 04:13 PM

Bit more on this - found a ref for Spoox's full list of 12 on web archive, looks like was up from oct 2004 onwards
https://web.archive....atty.jungli.st/ [28 Nov 2004]

an earlier version, with just LION1 - 5 was up around feb 2002.


Checking for Nu-Urban seems earliest reference is Sept 02 for 1-5, and 6-8 were available at least from May 03 onwards, with 9-12 only showing July 2004 (but probably older)

Listed details from Nu-Urban, cross-referenced against Juno & Hard To Find:

LION 001  Black Star feat. Top Cat - Champion Deejay / Kunte Kinte          Juno: 08 Nov 01  
plays: Sound Clash Dub
LION 1 A-1-1- b/w LION 1 B-1-1-      nb. no trailing '1' on either string

LION 002  Conquering Lion feat. Super Cat - Code Red               Juno: 14 Nov 90 2001; HTFR [none]: 2002
both play: Emperor Selassie I (unreleased mix)
PRINCESS LYDIA FOREVER b/w LION JUNGLE

LION 003  Conquering Lion - Innah Sound / Ras Project               Juno: 29 Nov 01
plays: Lion Of Judah (Boombastic Mix)
RAS PROJECT b/w INAH SOUND

LION 004  Princess Lydia - Rastaman feat. Beenie Man / Blessed          Juno: 08 Dec 01
plays: Rastaman & Blessed
RASTAMAN ✡ b/w BLESSED ✡

LION 005  X-Project feat. Frankie Paul & Tenor Fly - Jah Sunshine / Jah Sunshine 
HTFR [DUBPLATE1]: 1994; Juno: 04 May 02
both play: Jah Sunshine (Ruff Neck Jungle Mix)

JAH ✡ SUNSHINE b/w DUBPLATE 1 ✡

LION 006  Black Star - Radical (DJ Kane Remixes)                 HTFR: 1995; Juno [RAS 008]: 07 Dec 02
plays (Juno): Radical (Zulu Warrior Mix) [nb. from Roots CD]
; (HTFR): Get Wild (unreleased mix)
RAS 8 ✡ b/w GET WILD ✡

LION 007  Tribe of Issachar feat. Peter Bouncer - Junglist (DJ Zinc Remix)     Juno: 01 Jan 90 2003?
plays: Junglist (No Sell Out Mix)

LION 008  Unknown Artist - Original Sess (Police in Helicopter) / Yes Selecta    Juno [POLICE]: 28 Sep 01; Juno: 23 Apr 03
plays (2001): Original Ses (Police In Helicopter), (2003): Yes Selectah
ORIGINAL SES b/w "YES SELECTOR"

LION 009  Tribe of Issachar - Tribal Natty (97 Mix) / Tribal Natty (Original Dubplate Mix)  Juno: 17 Jul 03
plays: Tribal Natty '97

LION 010  X Project feat. Junior Reid / Conquering Lion feat. Beenie Man - Banana Boat Man / Code Black
HTFR: 1996; Juno [DUBPLATE 3]: 01 Jan 90 2003?
; Juno: 09 Aug 03
plays: the 'remade' mix of Banana Boat Man
DUB PLATE 3 ✡ b/w CONQUERING LION ✡

LION 011  X Project - Set It (Original Unreleased Mix)

no clips, but is: Lion Of Judah (Dub Plate Special) / Ghetto Geddon (Dub Mixed)
RAS PROJECT 2 ✡ b/w RAS PROJECT 2 DUB ✡

LION 012  X Project - Calling                      
       Juno (DUBPLATE 2): 30 May 02
plays: Calling & Jungle Flow
DUB PLATE 2 ✡ b/w DUB PLATE 2 DUB ✡



Some other refs were found, but none of these had clips
HTFR [PRINCESSLYDIA] 1994
HTFR [LION003] 1996
; HTFR [RASPRO] 1996
HTFR [LIONJUNGLE] 1999
Juno [RASPROJECT] 30 Nov 99
HTFR [LION8] 2001
HTFR [DUBPLATE 3] 2004

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 06:22 PM

Couple more refs, no clips, but images confirm 'LION' designations

LION 003 Ras Project / Inah Sound https://www.hhv.de/s...ah-sound-674617
LION 004 Rastaman / Blessed https://www.hhv.de/s...-blessed-674616
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Posted 24 October 2019 - 12:27 AM

Something that is a little bit clearer... is the 'ZION' series of represses.

These were all pressed between 2008-2009, likely in conjunction with Nu-Urban, as all have the MPO stamper impressions of three concentric rings. They are also all definitely re-presses, as run-out strings so far have proven as matching the original releases. As well they are white labels, much like the original releases (except for 1 & 3 which had 'full' releases)

These first show up on Nu-Urban around Oct 08 with five listed (with two as "Coming Soon"), and then later, another three from at least May 09. However, I've not seen any trace of  2, 7, 9, 12 having been done... or 6... in fact, I can't find any trace of an original ZION06... Does a ZION06 actually exist??

Listed details from Nu-Urban, cross-referenced against Juno:

ZION01  Rebel MC - Exodus / Mystical Vibration [Oct 08]              Juno:  11 Sep 08
plays: Exodus & Mystical Vibration
ZION 1A1 Music HOUSE "EXODUS" b/w ZION 1AA-1 Music HOUSE

ZION03  Rebel MC - Jungle Soldier / Rasta Music [Oct 08]              Juno:  10 Sep 08
plays: Rasta Music & Jungle Souljah
ZION 3-1 Music HOUSE ETHEOPIA b/w LION 3AA1 Music HOUSE

ZION04  Rebel MC - Lose Your Soul / Rebel Music [Oct 08]             Juno:  30 Oct 09
plays: Lose Your Soul & Rebel Music
ZION 4A Music HOUSE b/w  ZION 4B Joseph

ZION05  Rebel MC - Seven Seas / Ghetto Life [Oct 08 / May 09]          Juno:  23 Oct 08
plays: Seven Seas & Ghetto Life

ZION13  Rebel MC & Peter Bouncer - Junglist (98 Remix / Original) [Oct 08 / May 09] Juno:  23 Oct 08
plays: Junglist ('98 Remix) & Junglist (Original Dubplate)
ZION 13A1. Music HOUSE b/w ZION 13AA ORIGINAL JUNGLIST MH.

ZION08  Rebel MC - Lion Did Crown (99 Mix) / Boom Bye Bye [May 09]        Juno:  15 Jan 09
plays: Lion Did Crown (Remix) & Inah Sound ('99 Remix)
ZION8A' Music HOUSE b/w  ZION8AA' Music HOUSE

ZION10  Rebel MC - Junglist Soldier / Fever (98 Remix) [May 09]          Juno:  10 Dec 08
plays: Jungle Souljah (Remix) & Fever ('98 Remix)
ZION 10A. Music HOUSE b/w ZION 10AA. Music HOUSE

ZION11  Rebel MC - Joseph / Zion [May 09]                     Juno:  18 Mar 09
plays: Joseph & Zion


No indication that these represses ever made their way to Hard To Find, though the originals all seem to be listed.
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#6 Ornette

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Posted 26 October 2019 - 02:04 AM

Couple of candidates for ZION06 ?

http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/2375/congo_natty_records/champion99
Champion Natty (99 Remix) / Jah Set It (DJ Kane Remix)
http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/2380/congo_natty_records/hs01
Emperor Selassie I '99 / Revolution

Both are '99' remixes of earlier tracks, a theme common to several of the ZION releases
As, I notice ZION09 doesn't actually appear to be etched that going by the discogs entry, though is definitely listed as such on both HTFR and Juno, Though, this might be just because someone hasn't entered it properly.


Incidentally, someone mentioned DJ Kane has commented on youtube denying the CHAMPION99 release as a remix of his! I'm just trying to confirm where that detail came from... I see the discogs entry was submitted with that all the way back in 2002, possibly with a suggestion of it from Chemical... The old cosmic breaks discography has no mention of DJ Kane for it however

http //www.cosmicbreaks.com/natty/congonatty.html (still active, would you believe)
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Posted 29 October 2019 - 02:16 PM

Interesting... I've just noticed the 'RAS' sequence doesn't have a #6 either!

Seems that both 'RAS' & 'ZION' both miss out #6 and end on #13... hmmm
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