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the CD edition of "Metalheadz Platinum Breakz I" has a different track from the vinyl edition:

 

The track that is in the data base at the moment as "Final Approach" should be changed to "Day Break" for the CD releases (http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/ffrr/828783_2 and http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/ffrr/124121_2 ).

For the vinyl release (http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/ffrr/828783_1 ) it stays "Final Approach".

 

The US release of the CD showed the name of the track correctly as "Day Break", but not the Europeen release.

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Did you really double check? I know all three releases and I know what I am talking about.

 

 

"Final Approach" on the vinyl is a bouncy J Majik tune, rather musical in the style of "Space Jam", easy listening style.

 

"Day Break" on the CD is one of those typical very dark J Majik tunes with haunted drums. THe rhythm doesn't go through at all, it is rather torn to pieces every second bar. or so. This track clears a dancefloor in 2 seconds but is an extraordinarily good piece for listening at home.

 

If necessary I post clips.

 

 

Which track is on your vinyl and CD, theorie?

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If sven is right (I don't know, I only have Platinum Breaks on vinyl and not cd), then this is the kind of situation that makes me think that the submissions/corrections process needs to change drastically. I know in the past Thijs has said that when you see the correction in the database, that is functionally his acknowledgement/thank you for submitting a correction.

 

However, there are times when a correction doesn't show up for a long time, and then sometimes it does not show up at all. This is discouraging and a disincentive for people who post on the board. That a change doesn't appear for a long time is not the problem (this is tedious work, expecting immediate results is unreasonable), but not knowing WHY a change hasn't appeared is.

 

So someone who suggests a change does not know whether it is still 'pending' or whether the suggestions has been 'denied'.

If it is denied, to the person who made the submission they are often not given a reason (posting "we're deciding to keep it like this because of this..." in a thread on rdb is rare). This is problematic because maybe the original poster suggesting a change is on to something, and whoever makes editiorial decisions in rdb is seriously overlooking something. When suggested changes are in limbo (i.e. is it still pending? Did anyone even consider the change? Did it just get buried/ignored given a new onslaught of suggested changes?), I think that there should be some system of transparency for all people involved in rdb, where they can at least check in to see if the suggestion is PENDING or DENIED (and if it is DENIED, why).

 

I've kind of brought stuff up like this in the past.... I know that for at least some of the suggestions I've made in the past (years ago) nothing was changed and I never found out why

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We're in the process of a big overhaul of the site. Mainly because even to this day, all updates, additions and changes need to be done bij Thijs.

 

So hold tight... we're working on it...

 

As a general rule, i think you'll know when it's denied... based on the discussion after your proposed change...

 

The problem with a thread like this is... it may very well be that there are 2 different CD editions. One with "Final Approach" and one with "Day Break".

It's very well possible (check this thread for an example of the Fantazia CD which is availabel in an unedited version and an edited version). So a change like this can't just be implemented, because you correct a partially wrong situation to another partially wrong situation.

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sven, could you post clips of the different tracks please? I'm intrigued!

 

And geist - as Manipulator says, Thijs is currently the only one putting changes into the database, and he simply doesn't have time to reply to every thread saying whether or not they've been incorporated. Sometimes bits that I've submitted don't get put in, simply by mistake or by being overlooked - I just wait until the next update to see if things have been incorporated or not, and bump the corresponding thread to ask why something wasn't.

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I understand that RDB is in a weird situation of A LOT of information to cover, and only a few dedicated people doing it (with help from poster's submissions), I also understand there are website changes coming, so I'll just be patient.

 

I guess I just like a neat and orderly system. Was a change accepted? Denied? Still in process? I can't always bump threads where a change hasn't been made yet, because sometimes I think "well maybe they are still working on it", and then I check a few more times and think the same thing, then eventually I forget about it, and then I actually will remember maybe a year later, and then I will see that a change has not been made, and then I'm left thinking "Huh I guess they forgot about it too, or they didn't know, or they just decided I was wrong"

 

IMO, things work better if it's kind of like some systems of government. Someone brings up a petition/proposal, and there is some official response, even if it is "we'll decide on it later". In organized procedures like this you don't get "hey did we talk about this already?" "I dunno, I don't know what happened", or "I was just kind of ignored", etc.

 

BTW I realize I'm posting a lot of changes/criticisms. My posting to RDB goes in ebbs and flows depending on what is going on in my life ... right now I'm on a "let's get my record shelves organized for real" kick and hence I'm posting more. Ultimately though I love rdb... I just think there are various logical changes that could be made to make it better

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Did you really double check? I know all three releases and I know what I am talking about.

"Final Approach" on the vinyl is a bouncy J Majik tune, rather musical in the style of "Space Jam", easy listening style.

 

"Day Break" on the CD is one of those typical very dark J Majik tunes with haunted drums. THe rhythm doesn't go through at all, it is rather torn to pieces every second bar. or so. This track clears a dancefloor in 2 seconds but is an extraordinarily good piece for listening at home.

 

If necessary I post clips.

Which track is on your vinyl and CD, theorie?

 

Here is a clip of the song which is on my CD and Vinyl as 'Final Approach'

 

http://media.putfile.com/J-Majik---Final-Approach-CLIP

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Here is a clip of the song which is on my CD and Vinyl as 'Final Approach'

 

http://media.putfile.com/J-Majik---Final-Approach-CLIP

 

 

This is "Final Approach" as I have it on vinyl as well.

 

Here's part of "Day Break" http://www.amazon.com/Metalheadz-Presents-...s/dp/B000003R6J

very short, I know, but you can hear that it is a different track.

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Ok, the 'runout etchings' on the CDs are as follows:

 

CD01:

MADE IN U.K. BY PDO 8287842 10426451 01 &

 

Also, very small - IFPI L134

+etched into surface, very small - IFPI 0487

 

 

CD02:

MADE IN U.K. BY PDO 8287852 20426451 01 %

 

Also, very small - IFPI L132

+etched into surface, very small - IFPI 0493

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geist, please be patient. You have to realise that we are all stretched here to get everything sorted with the site and we are working very hard on the backend system at the moment that will mean a huge change to how quickly and easily edits can be dealt with.

 

You're just going to have to bear with us for the time being. You've been giving us a lot of information recently and, while we're glad for the input, it's a lot to deal with and as we're only human some things do get lost. Of course we'd like a better and more efficient way of getting this done but this is a site run on a tiny budget with a small team working on it and we don't have the time to develop everything that would make our lives easier.

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I have no problems being patient. Why wouldn't I be patient? It's a free website that helps me figure out what some of my white labels are, and it helps me look up information and organize my record collection. I think of rdb as a massive think tank-type project that keeps a record of stuff that a lot of people love, but if nobody was a 'historian' about it, it would become a hazy memory and people would regret it later.

 

Waiting months, even close to a year or so, for a change to show up in the database is not something I consider a problem. If entries are backlogged, fine. I've had work, my wedding, a car accident, and my energies shifted over to an ugly legal battle to try to help my brother's kids all come up in my life recently, and I'm sure everyone else has their share of things to deal with in real life.

 

So waiting itself is not a problem b/c I know things take time and people can be otherwised occupied.

 

The thing that is annoying is waiting when you're not even sure if you're waiting for no reason, i.e. someone read your suggested change, decided to reject the suggestion, and didn't bother telling you why. That's like being on hold on a cell phone and not realizing the person on the other end has just hung up on you. Waiting when there is some kind of system that informs you that your suggestion has been acknowledged, but that no final decision has yet been made, is a MUCH better system, imo.

 

so I guess in this thread I was commenting on the fact that, regardless of what turns out to be the correct track titles, Sven seemed to have brought this up before, and then his suggestion got either forgotten or hastily rejected. This kind of stuff has happened to me as well, so I was just noticing the (problematic) pattern

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When there are more people taking care of the updates then you should see more discussion about why some things don't get done. We can certainly try and make sure that anyone who looks at a thread and doesn't make an update for a certain reason can reply as to why
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But it can not be only a difference between the US and the Europeen release, because a friend of mine had the Europeen release (without the two bonus tracks of the US CD), and he had also "Day Break" on the CD, although the track was indicated as "Final Approach" in the booklet.

 

There are also a number of website offering the CD with the "Day Break" track titled as "Final Approach", for example here: http://mp3shake.com/en/album/11764.html

 

So there must be at least a third CD release with "Day Break" on the CD and "Final Approach written on the sleeve, causing all that trouble and misunderstanding. Maybe this was the continental Europeen release?

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I see i posted a question in the wrong place, it looks like the answer should be in this section...

 

So to make this topic a bit more 'interesting': i have a vinyl copy which states Final Approach on the cover and label, but the track itself is Day Break!

 

So there's also a wrong vinyl-version out there...

 

And i wish i had the other (right) version!

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I see i posted a question in the wrong place, it looks like the answer should be in this section...

 

So to make this topic a bit more 'interesting': i have a vinyl copy which states Final Approach on the cover and label, but the track itself is Day Break!

 

So there's also a wrong vinyl-version out there...

 

And i wish i had the other (right) version!

 

:laugh: I wish I had "Day Break" on my vinyl instead of "Final Approach"... let's swap!

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After researching all i could find about the Final Approach / Day Break mix up, i think that the mellow track is called Day Break, and the dark haunting track is called Final Approach...

If you think about it, the titles make much more sense that way.

 

I think that on (at least my) vinyl the titles got mixed up...

My vinyl contains the mellow track, but is called Final Approach.

 

I wish J Majik would clear this up for us!

 

;-)

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