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#21 spoox

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 05:12 AM

there was a bootleg at one time with just "snowman" etched on it and 2 of the tunes from the full 4-tracker... think IMO was involved :P

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Posted 13 February 2006 - 05:19 PM

Personally I don't think "Snowman" should be taken out of the title of the tune -- that's how everyone has identified the tune since it came out in '93

#23 Ornette

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 12:23 AM

Just wondering, Logic,
do you know why people would have called it "Snowman"?
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Posted 23 February 2006 - 08:17 AM

It samples Aled Jones' "Walking In The Air", which was on the sound track to the animated version of Raymond Briggs' Snowman cartoon

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 05:26 PM

I did put Logic's name in the post....  




...I'm quite aware of why its nicknamed "Snowman"
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#26 Logic

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 09:01 PM

I knew that it was called "Snowman" because it sampled the theme song to a cartoon with the same name.  Of course, being an American, I had never seen or heard of this cartoon before... I think I just remember asking Haste several years ago why the tune was called "Snowman" and he told me

But that isn't an argument for removing it from the title

#27 Ornette

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 09:52 PM

OK... cool....  as far as I remember we only called it "Snowman" as a nickname - the XPROJECT1 that I half-inched from a pal had "Snowman" written on it - but I think thats only because its quicker to say:

"yeah have you got that Snowman tune"

than to say:

"yeah have you got that Walking In The Air tune"
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Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:58 PM

My reasons for wanting "Snowman" in the title are descriptive, not prescriptive.

I want it in there because that's how some people know the tune, and thus that's how they'll search for it on here.  Not because I know with certainty that Rebel MC intended it to be referred to that way

#29 Ornette

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 11:50 PM

This thread is too complex.


To make things more confusing, check this:
http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/congo_natty/lion5
Both versions of "Jah Sunshine" on this are DIFFERENT to
http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/x_project/dubplate1

Which means there are 3 different RELEASED mixes of "Jah Sunshine" and 2 UNRELEASED mixes
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#30 Marlztah

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Posted 14 May 2007 - 03:30 PM

View Postspoox, on Jan 7 2006, 02:21 PM, said:

And some other notes:

"dubplate 1" aka "ras dub 1":

1. Didn't this one have "ol skool ting" etched? It's a black label 10"... The one I saw had "RAS DUB 1" etched one one side atleast - don't remember the other side.

2. Are these the same 10"s, or did one with "dubplate 1" come first, then "ras dub 1" come as a repress or edition afterwards?

got this record sitting in front of me (10" black label one) i bought it in 1998(?) from blackmarket records so im guessing its a repress

all it has etched on side a is "dubplate1" and "musichouse" the b side just has "mh"


just my 2p's worth  :wink:

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 12:39 AM

http://congonatty.jungli.st/new_old.phtml
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:11 PM

View PostOrnette, on 27 September 2007 - 12:39 AM, said:


https://web.archive....t/new_old.phtml

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:17 PM

Only just started looking into these releases from the 2000's that were previously unreleased tracks ... this thread is intense :o

This is probably old news now but DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB is the same as CONGONATTY 04 ( https://www.discogs....release/1335344 )
But a different cutting / pressing. What discogs have as Untitled (Dubplate 2) is 'Jungle Flow' https://www.discogs....release/2863314

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:27 PM

So it looks like this 2007 release of Emperor Selassie I is in fact the 1995 Firefox Remix : https://www.discogs....release/1636746

#35 Ornette

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 09:14 AM

View PosteXtreme, on 14 March 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Only just started looking into these releases from the 2000's that were previously unreleased tracks ... this thread is intense :o

This is probably old news now but DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB is the same as CONGONATTY 04 ( https://www.discogs....release/1335344 )
But a different cutting / pressing. What discogs have as Untitled (Dubplate 2) is 'Jungle Flow' https://www.discogs....release/2863314

Yeah these releases are nuts also.

Thanks for confirming this, tallies with what I figured here... as seems that DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB release also goes by the cat. LION12. Good that someone else has sanity checked this.
http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/22867/congo_natty_records/lion12
http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/21191/congo_natty_records/congonatty4

and of course the top side is "Calling"...

Interesting what that congonatty.jungli.st link says about the 'LIONxx represses and other mis-labeled represses', I guess when it was sold some of the shops had it listed as LION12 even though it doesn't say on the release itself. Question is, when did these white label 'LIONxx' releases came out, maybe 2000 ish perhaps?

I'm just in process of tidying on discogs, so thought I'd comment ;)
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Posted 27 August 2019 - 05:41 AM

View PosteXtreme, on 14 March 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB

Just to confirm, is that the exact etchings on the release, no ✡ symbols or anything?
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Posted 27 August 2019 - 06:25 PM

Just checked it out Ornette, Yes both sides have the little star after the etching.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 06:40 AM

View PosteXtreme, on 15 March 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

So it looks like this 2007 release of Emperor Selassie I is in fact the 1995 Firefox Remix : https://www.discogs....release/1636746

Just having a closer look at this,
the video on that discogs link Bl433Bn2plw must be wrong because that's the mix from the 1995 Blackstar album.

I've found some clips here.....
https //www.juno.co.uk/products/rebel-mc-emperor-sellassie-i/265466-01/

It's very similar, isn't it? In fact... are we sure it's even a Firefox remix, looking at that JP compilation appears it only has on it 'Fire Remix'.
I reckon that's just a diff mix down by Rebel MC himself.
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#39 Ornette

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 12:46 PM

No opinions?

I will say, it does sound rather Firefox-ish... both that one and the 'original' mix, similar production-wise to "Fashion" maybe.

In relation to this is the situation regarding "His Imperial Majesty". From what I've been able to make out, the version on the Blackstar album is precisely the same as the Congo Natty presents Roots compilation - which is marked '3rd Eye Remix'. Now, that one definitely has all of Potential Bad Boy's post-Ibiza 1995 jungle stylings to it, quite unmistakable really, yet there is no mention of it at all on the original release.

There is also the version of "Emperor Sellasie I" on the Princess Lydia EP which seems to be based around the "Kunte Kinte" rhythm track... (also heard on the This Is Jungle digital album)
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Posted 16 October 2019 - 03:05 AM

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