thijs Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 i actually would be able to provide a lot of clips.. i think the hosting will be the biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 yeah it will be hard to find the space. i could help you with some clips too...if i find the time to do em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 the space is.. ok.. i have been messing around with 1 minute clips of real audio (mono at 22 khz) which ended up being around 157 kb for each clips. thing is that i expect the bandwidth (and traffic) for this feature will be quite big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 if you had sound clips then people woudl go mad....bandwidth would be a big problem. however, if you did have soundclips then you would be able to lay claim to having the best dnb/jungle site on the web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 i could definatly help out with the soundclips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 5, 2003 Report Share Posted February 5, 2003 I could do clips as well. My collection isn't nearly as staggering as either of the fellows above me, but I'm always encoding my tunes so I could certainly do little realplayer clips. Just say the word and give the preferred compression/length and I'll do it 8) 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXtreme Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 i could do some soundclips too. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi:t Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 but is the real player option the right one ? a lot of people don't use it.the new versions don't support even win95 anymore for instance. how big would be mp3 files @ 22 khz mono 56 kbps/bit rate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 but is the real player option the right one ? a lot of people don't use it.the new versions don't support even win95 anymore for instance. how big would be mp3 files @ 22 khz mono 56 kbps/bit rate ? a 1:30 clip at 32 kps and 22 khz is about 350kb...which is more then ample quality i think for what were looking for here.ive tried to make clips at 24 kps, but i cant find an encoder that can do it. Soundforge and Audio Catalyst both have settings for it, but neither will actually encode so low... does anyone know what a real audio file of comparable length and quality would be size wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 but is the real player option the right one ? a lot of people don't use it.the new versions don't support even win95 anymore for instance. how big would be mp3 files @ 22 khz mono 56 kbps/bit rate ? a 1:30 clip at 32 kps and 22 khz is about 350kb...which is more then ample quality i think for what were looking for here.ive tried to make clips at 24 kps, but i cant find an encoder that can do it. Soundforge and Audio Catalyst both have settings for it, but neither will actually encode so low... does anyone know what a real audio file of comparable length and quality would be size wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 mp3 at those bitrates are out of the question, simply because they sound horrible. real audio is not my absolute favorite, but that is just because of the real player which is plain evil to my humble opinion. i have been testing around lately. ogg, which is completely free and open source seems to be competetive quality wise. and the newer winamp (2.81 and higher) support this format. next there is mp3pro which seems to be doing ok, and of course ahead just came up with their nero plugin for aac. the last two however are not freeware. thing is that real audio just seems to have this sweet spot at 20 kb/s :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 6, 2003 Report Share Posted February 6, 2003 Agreed, RealPlayer is complete garbage, but it's hard to deny its universality. Luckily, RealPlayer's homepage keeps archived versions of its player, so the pall that is RealOne can be wholly avoided. What of Windows Media Audio (.wma) format? Many Macs are capable of decoding this format, and it's incredibly small. I don't know a lot about it otherwise, but that Soundforge is capable of encoding it. Amassing a comprehensive soundclip database of jungle tunes could actually be rather fun, in a twisted, masochistic sort of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 tarzan.ive been selling off a few doubles on eBay lately, and i link clips to the auctions. mp3 files, 32 kps 22 khz, and they sound great...well not great, but definatly gets the point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 hmm.. i might just get a track of a cd and encode it in various ways. and put them online somewhere for download and comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 7, 2003 Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 hmm.. i might just get a track of a cd and encode it in various ways. and put them online somewhere for download and comparison.good idea. just a question. is a 32kps RA file the equivalent to a 32kps mp3 file? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2003 hehe.. as in what property? size? apart from the amount of bits per second there is stuff like stereo/mono and sampling rate which make huge differences quality/size-wise. (there is still the problem with the hosting though :mrgreen:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 i have used some different encoders for the same track (bonus points for whoever is first with the name of the track). all are about 1 Mb. aac/mpeg4realmediaogg (20 kbps)ogg (28 kbps) give them a listen :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi:t Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 can't comment on the realmedia version cause my operation system doesn't support it. but the three others - i would put my stock on ogg.mp4 is improvement in that area but still the sound is dirty like in a low bitrate mp3. high freq. dominates too much, it could be a real problem in true junglist tracks with lots of percussion.both ogg's sound pretty good. the noticeable difference maybe is that at higher rate the bass sounds more solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 the clip is silver blade by dillinja. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 free box of popcorn for grey :mrgreen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 excellent choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 i couldnt find anything to play this guy: aac/mpeg4 [/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi:t Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 i couldnt find anything to play this guy: aac/mpeg4 [/b]for some reason my quicktime played it but from here http://audiocoding.com/mpeg-4.php i downloaded a plugin for winamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thijs Posted February 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 yes.. by standard quicktime takes control. and indeed there is winamp plugin for it. i am using these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 9, 2003 Report Share Posted February 9, 2003 I think the Real version sounds the best. Are we not giving consideration to Windows Media Audio? :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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