sven Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 I have this (white label) record with 4 mixes of "Greater Love" by Elisabeth Troy, the catalog number being SOUR 16T, which is not in the data base. I was wondering if these are the same mixes as on SOUR 16 http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/sour/sour016 , but I can't check as I don't have it. It also doesn't have an etching in the runout groove es discogs states: http://www.discogs.com/release/46381 Anyone knows more about this record? I'd like to know which mixes are on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Our entry for SOUR 16 doesn't look right. My copy is the same as the one on Discogs - no 'Unguided Lights' credits on mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theorie Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 http://www.rolldabeats.com/forum/index.php...hl=Greater+Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted November 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 BTW: that's another remix of "Greater Love" http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/soundman/smrs21t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 BTW: that's another remix of "Greater Love" http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/soundman/smrs21tThat's not a remix, that's the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 That's not a remix, that's the original. Anyway, it should be made evident form the data base that this is actually the track known as "Greater Love".. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Is it really the original? The release year says 1995... and "Greater Love" on SOUR was a 1994 track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Is it really the original? The release year says 1995... and "Greater Love" on SOUR was a 1994 trackI'm pretty sure I've heard "Number One" before "Greater Love"...But being in Holland I can't be certain I heard everything in order... RDB has SOUR016 as released in January 95 (which means the cover lists the copyright as being 1994, but it's still a 95 record!)."Number One" is a white label. Not sure where the release date comes from as it's not listed on the label. I don't have the Soundman record here... but I can remember it sounds more 'raw' than the SOUR version and the vocals differ. It would be strange if Soundman made the version for SOUR and THEN do the version for his own label... I'm not sure if there are 'official' releases of SMRS21T. I've got the same white label with print as on discogs. http://www.discogs.com/release/769309But as said, it's not at my place so I won't be able to do some research before saturday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STG Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 I don't have the Soundman record here... but I can remember it sounds more 'raw' than the SOUR version and the vocals differ. Yeah, I'm curious if it's even Elisabeth Troy's vocals on SMRS21T, they sound slightly different to me. But I agree with the logical thinking that the Soundman WL was released first, SOUR picked it up, possibly adding in Elisabeth Troy to do the vocals and then releasing SOUR016/P/X. The WL SMRS21T never mentioned it to be a collaboration of both Don Lloydie & Soundman as well, so maybe this is just Soundman's version? Who knows. Great tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornette Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Lemme put it this way - The Shy FX remix was floating about since at least August 1994... played by none other than DJ Ash on a tape I have. So the original must be older... ? But - not convinced re. SMRS release came first and then SOUR - I can envisage the other way around (note the different title on the SMRS release! :wink:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Yeah, I'm curious if it's even Elisabeth Troy's vocals on SMRS21T, they sound slightly different to me. But I agree with the logical thinking that the Soundman WL was released first, SOUR picked it up, possibly adding in Elisabeth Troy to do the vocals and then releasing SOUR016/P/X. The WL SMRS21T never mentioned it to be a collaboration of both Don Lloydie & Soundman as well, so maybe this is just Soundman's version? Who knows. Great tune. Well, to solve the miracle then: the Soundman SMRS21T version has exactely the same Elisabeth Troy vocals. And it's very very similar to what's in the data base now as "Unguided Lights mix", but sounds a bit "strippend down", less worked out. COuld very well be an earlier version. I am actually wondering who came up with the idea that this should be an Unguided Lights mix on the SOUR release, as the label photo clearly says "Soundman 12" mix. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 aha http://www.rolldabeats.com/forum/index.php...amp;hl=unguided how did you come up with the idea that this is an "Unguided Lights" remix Manipulator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 aha http://www.rolldabeats.com/forum/index.php...amp;hl=unguided how did you come up with the idea that this is an "Unguided Lights" remix Manipulator?Hmm... need to take out the 12" (which as most of my stuff isn't stored at my place).BUT surprisingly the "full 12" version" on the second CD according to discogs is the same length as the Soundman 12". And in contrast to the "no credits" from discogs it DOES state it's "engineered and mixed by The Unguided Lights". So most probably I screwed up the name by cutting & pasting the vinyl together from the CD tracklists since I *guess* both versions are actually the same...(ooh... I start guessing now...) Unless somebody else can do it before then, I'll take out the 12" and both CD's, as well as the Soundman release this saturday. Will take some time finding the Soundman release... *EDIT*Had a mate check the vinyl, and it actually credits:a1: produced by Soundman and Don Lloydie, engineered and mixed by The Unguided LightsBut you're right, it's listed as soundman 12" even though it's identical to the CD's full version. *EDIT 2*soundman 12" COULD refer to the soundman release number one which would mean that the soundman release actually is the original 12"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 *EDIT 2*soundman 12" COULD refer to the soundman release number one which would mean that the soundman release actually is the original 12"... refer yes, but remember the mixes are NOT identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Well, to solve the miracle then: the Soundman SMRS21T version has exactely the same Elisabeth Troy vocals. And it's very very similar to what's in the data base now as "Unguided Lights mix", but sounds a bit "strippend down", less worked out. COuld very well be an earlier version. Okay, listened to the Soundman release and the Sour release... and the vocals on the Soundman release are DEFINITELY different! Listening to the bit before the first verse, I'd even go as far as to say the vocals are actually sampled (listen to the way the chords drop out after the wails and come back in when the vocal starts again and compare to the instrumental flip where these chords are also missing!). The vocalist on the Soundman release also has a much bigger accent! The mix sounds like a 'raw' version of the Sour release. Not as polished and I think missing some hi-hats. Regarding the Shy FX mix played in 94: do you have a clip to show it actually uses the Elisabeth Troy vocals like on the Sour release and not the Soundman vocals???? The Sour release sounds like it has the Elisabeth Troy vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Okay, listened to the Soundman release and the Sour release... and the vocals on the Soundman release are DEFINITELY different! Listening to the bit before the first verse, I'd even go as far as to say the vocals are actually sampled (listen to the way the chords drop out after the wails and come back in when the vocal starts again and compare to the instrumental flip where these chords are also missing!). The vocalist on the Soundman release also has a much bigger accent! The mix sounds like a 'raw' version of the Sour release. Not as polished and I think missing some hi-hats. Regarding the Shy FX mix played in 94: do you have a clip to show it actually uses the Elisabeth Troy vocals like on the Sour release and not the Soundman vocals???? The Sour release sounds like it has the Elisabeth Troy vocals. DOH! You are right. The singer is not the same! :blushing: (The singer on "Number One" sings a bit better IMO :biggrin: )."Greater Love" has some additional hi-hats and synth-sounds, also the mix-down is different. Plus is has some impro-vocals near the end, and the track lasts a bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ok... so what needs adding/changing in the database? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Where did Unguided Lights come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Ok... so what needs adding/changing in the database?Now, well... that's a good one... First up: even though the full version on the CD is the same as the soundman 12" version on vinyl... it IS listed as soundman 12" on the vinyl (also SOUR016X I guess). So delete SOUR016 and rename SOUR016T to SOUR016. And maybe in the comments state that it's the same as the full version. Then we have the "unguided lights" bit. The Soundman recording sounds similar enough to the SOUR version that it doesn't sound like a remix. We also have the question where Don Lloydie fits in. Should he be credited for the Soundman release as well?!? BUT to shed a bit more light on this...through a myspace blog I got pointed towards the fact that it's a cover of a tune by Nu Colours, which can be found on the album Unlimited. Can somebody verify those vocals against the Soundman ones??? Writer credits should also be about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Where did Unguided Lights come from?What do you mean? How I came to the conclusion that the Soundman 12" is mixed by the Unguided Lights? Well, because that's what's printed on the sleeve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phokus Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 What do you mean? How I came to the conclusion that the Soundman 12" is mixed by the Unguided Lights? Well, because that's what's printed on the sleeve! ok - i don't have my copy to hand, and was trying to figure it out from poor quality scans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 ok - i don't have my copy to hand, and was trying to figure it out from poor quality scans!That's what I tried at first... I've got all stuff at home atm, so I can do a scan of the credits part tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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