mrbison Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Gwen McCrae - Keep the Fires Burning (1982) House Crew - Keep the Fires Burning Run Tings - Fires Burning Noise Factory - Noise Factory title line sampled in these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serum Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Also used in Orbital - Chime (Ray Keith mix) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Gwen McCrae - Keep the Fires Burning (1982) House Crew - Keep the Fires Burning Run Tings - Fires Burning Noise Factory - Noise Factory title line sampled in theseAre you SURE??? Title is actually "Keep the fire burning".The "Got to keep the fires burning" is from Baby D - Daydreaming. Haven't heard Run Tings lately and Noise Factory, but I can't think of any record that actually samples this tune! And Serum's reply is also already listed in Baby D's thread. Haven't got a clip of this one, but it's "Keep the fires burning, keep them burning hot".Oh... of course there's YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsWwMbqsKR0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeee Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Gwen Mcrae isn't sampled in any of those tunes, they just have the same name. Have you actually heard the Gwen Mcrae tune in question or are you just guessing? As mentioned above, the vocal in the House Crew is from Baby D - Daydreaming, the vocal in Run Tings is from Midway - Set It Out : http://www.discogs.com/release/221094 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 the vocal in Run Tings is from Midway - Set It Out : http://www.discogs.com/release/221094Doesn't look like we've got this one listed at the mo...do you wanna add it as another thread? :smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbison Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I'm pretty sure about this one...in my very youngest very underage clubbing days in 1982 Gwen Mccrae "Keep the Fires Burning" (the actual title) was played all the time in the first club I used to regularly go to (Tuesdays in High Wycombe...it was a big undeground track everywhere at the time (pirates, dance clubs, weekenders etc) hence its popularity a few years later with producers a lot of who would have heard it as young teenagers or even younger back then)...i think it was even on one of the Streetsounds compilations (very popular dance compilations at the time...same company as streetsounds electro compilations). It's obviously the same tune although obviously sped up on the samples. Surprised this one wasnt on here at the beginning. Gwen McCrae used to sing "Keep the fires burning, keep the fires burning keep them burning hot hot...you've got to (forgotten the next couple of words) you've got to give it what you've got".. About the talk of Midway etc...never heard this it was extremely obscure (over here anyway) I remember it only as a track on a breakdance compilation and if it is connected surprised it didnt run into copyright problems for plagiarism as the melody and words on the samples are exactly the same as Gwen McCrae. Production House often used the same samples in different tracks but its obvious Baby D "Daydreaming" wasn't the original source of this sample. The only thing I can think to explain this contention that it is Midway is that Midway used the Gwen McCrae track in some way...after all this Midway was obviously coming from a mid-80s, disco/poppier end of break dance scene and reusing bits of other tracks had obviously been a staple of such records since at least the early 80s.. Was Set it Out the same as Set it Off which WAS massive over here in the mid 80s in a load of versions Harlequin 4's , Strafe (i think the original but Harlequin 4s was bigger in UK), Masquerade (British cover) etc as I see that there were supposedly a lot of versions of Set it Out but can't find any plausible others listed on discogs with exactly the same title... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serum Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Are you SURE??? Title is actually "Keep the fire burning".The "Got to keep the fires burning" is from Baby D - Daydreaming. Haven't heard Run Tings lately and Noise Factory, but I can't think of any record that actually samples this tune! And Serum's reply is also already listed in Baby D's thread. Haven't got a clip of this one, but it's "Keep the fires burning, keep them burning hot".Oh... of course there's YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsWwMbqsKR0 I admit it I'm thick! :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeee Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I'm pretty sure about this one...in my very youngest very underage clubbing days in 1982 Gwen Mccrae "Keep the Fires Burning" (the actual title) was played all the time in the first club I used to regularly go to (Tuesdays in High Wycombe...it was a big undeground track everywhere at the time (pirates, dance clubs, weekenders etc) hence its popularity a few years later with producers a lot of who would have heard it as young teenagers or even younger back then)...i think it was even on one of the Streetsounds compilations (very popular dance compilations at the time...same company as streetsounds electro compilations). It's obviously the same tune although obviously sped up on the samples. Surprised this one wasnt on here at the beginning. Gwen McCrae used to sing "Keep the fires burning, keep the fires burning keep them burning hot hot...you've got to (forgotten the next couple of words) you've got to give it what you've got".. About the talk of Midway etc...never heard this it was extremely obscure (over here anyway) I remember it only as a track on a breakdance compilation and if it is connected surprised it didnt run into copyright problems for plagiarism as the melody and words on the samples are exactly the same as Gwen McCrae. Production House often used the same samples in different tracks but its obvious Baby D "Daydreaming" wasn't the original source of this sample. The only thing I can think to explain this contention that it is Midway is that Midway used the Gwen McCrae track in some way...after all this Midway was obviously coming from a mid-80s, disco/poppier end of break dance scene and reusing bits of other tracks had obviously been a staple of such records since at least the early 80s.. Was Set it Out the same as Set it Off which WAS massive over here in the mid 80s in a load of versions Harlequin 4's , Strafe (i think the original but Harlequin 4s was bigger in UK), Masquerade (British cover) etc as I see that there were supposedly a lot of versions of Set it Out but can't find any plausible others listed on discogs with exactly the same title... Sorry mate, you're definitely wrong on this one, have a listen to the tunes again and you'll see they were definitely not sampled from Gwen Mcrae, however much she might have influenced the lyrics. Bare in mind we are talking about SAMPLES here, not just tunes with similar lyrics... And in any case, there's no acapella of the Gwen Mcrae tune so how would they have sampled her vocals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbison Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Sorry mate, you're definitely wrong on this one, have a listen to the tunes again and you'll see they were definitely not sampled from Gwen Mcrae, however much she might have influenced the lyrics. Bare in mind we are talking about SAMPLES here, not just tunes with similar lyrics... And in any case, there's no acapella of the Gwen Mcrae tune so how would they have sampled her vocals? maybe im incorrect and it's just a coincidence that the lyrics AND the melody are virtually indistinguishable..I've only heard the two hardcore tracks at their correct speed (ie pitched up) but from just that it'd pretty impressive to tell the difference. Even if the Midway track was actual the sample source for Run Tings/House Crew it cetainly doesn't rule out Midway getting hold off the original tape or an unreleased accapella and using that on Set It Out after all the track was made in New York sometime between about 1983 and-1985 just after Gwen Mccrae made hers in 1982 possibly in New York and for the same market. Probably didn't but its not impossible and it would explain away a bloody strange coincidence, After all this was the first era of sampling and loads of stuff was going on in disco/hiphop/funk (Cashflow Mine All Mine and Fatback Band I Found lovin for instance not sampled but weirdly exactly tune but allegedly neither a cover) even rock bores like Big Audio Dynamite (some of the Clash) were doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Manipulator Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 @Mikeeee: there are more accapella's than are commercially available. I've downloaded a bunch of weird ones like Freeez's I.O.U and The Trammps - Disco Inferno. A lot of accapella's were promo only. So I wouldn't go as far as to say a Gwen McCrea accapella doesn't exist at all. That said, most house producers are lazy and wouldn't bother to search for it... Listening to the remixes of Felix The Housecat's "Silverscreen showerscene" recently I noticed that the synth sample from The Flirts - Passion includes the whole drum track as well... As said, I don't know all the tunes, but the House Crew is definitely Baby D! I'll see if I can find some clips of the others and give them a listen... Regarding Midway: we also have parts of songs based on another song, which is more common with synths (in oldskool rap), but vocals does occur. But as Mikeee said, we're talking about samples and if the Midway version is the one sampled, that should be listed.Along the same vein, there were 3 Shep Pettibone remixes that were released around the same time and had the same synthbass: Eleanor - Adventure, Suzy Q - Don't Make A Fool Of Yourself and Narada Michael Walden - Divine Emotions. And regarding the title:http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=216397So it IS "Keep the fire burning" without the S!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeee Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 maybe im incorrect and it's just a coincidence that the lyrics AND the melody are virtually indistinguishable.. They are not "virtually indistinguishable", they are completely different tunes, other than that they share the phrase "keep the fire burning" which is sung to a completely different melody in each tune. I've only heard the two hardcore tracks at their correct speed (ie pitched up) but from just that it'd pretty impressive to tell the difference. Have a listen again, all the tunes concerned are quite easy to find on youtube... It's piss easy to tell the difference!! Even if the Midway track was actual the sample source for Run Tings/House Crew it cetainly doesn't rule out Midway getting hold off the original tape or an unreleased accapella and using that on Set It Out after all the track was made in New York sometime between about 1983 and-1985 just after Gwen Mccrae made hers in 1982 possibly in New York and for the same market. Probably didn't but its not impossible and it would explain away a bloody strange coincidence, After all this was the first era of sampling and loads of stuff was going on in disco/hiphop/funk (Cashflow Mine All Mine and Fatback Band I Found lovin for instance not sampled but weirdly exactly tune but allegedly neither a cover) even rock bores like Big Audio Dynamite (some of the Clash) were doing it. I think you're reading WAAAY too far into things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbison Posted July 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I better apologise. I finally got round to listening to the House Crew track again. Funny what time and various other things can do to your memory. As the House Crew and Run Tings aren't even the same sample/tune I could have sworn they were but the House Crew sample is definitely NOT Gwen McCrae. On the other hand the Run Tings still sounds like Gwen MCrae and Keep the fires burning to me. Wish I still had my copy of her track but haven't had/heard it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_s Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Covered on: Johnetta Alston - Keep The Fire Burning - [blue Chip] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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